Co-authors of the critically acclaimed The Man Who Ran Washington: The Life and Times of James A. Baker III, husband-and-wife journalists Peter Baker and Susan Glasser are back with The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021. Axios calls the new book, already a New York Times bestseller, “a sweeping, dishy, 700-plus-page history of Trump’s almost cartoonishly chaotic White House.”

Baker and Glasser recently discussed The Divider with author/attorney Talmage Boston. Listen to the podcast here.