Jonathan Martin, a national political correspondent for the New York Times and a CNN analyst, is also the author (with Alexander Burns) of This Will Not Pass: Trump, Biden, and the Battle for America’s Future, which the Guardian calls “473 pages of essential reading.” In a recent program from the nonpartisan, nonprofit World Affairs Council of Dallas/Fort Worth, Martin spoke about the book with Republican political consultant and policy advisor Karl Rove and author/attorney Talmage Boston. Listen to it here.